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Elistan Theocrat · Nov 11, 2005, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Again, I do understand the value of patience within a misson/outing whatever. I'm a monk, I'm quite often preaching patience within the mission. However, I prefer to spend as little time as possible sitting in outpost/towns. Allow me to clarify some more. A group ready to go does not always mean 7 players. If I'm looking for a group calling for a prot monk in war camp, 4 players who know thier role is of course preferred, but 3 is still a group. 1 is not.

Until its proven to me otherwise (and 600+ hours of play havent done so) when dealing with pick up groups, there is no guarentee of an even remotely competant group. Waiting during construction of a pick up group has not in my experience increased the number of good pick up groups, as no amount of pre mission communication helps when so few people actually listen. Thus, if I can get a group quickly, and it turns out to be a sour group, I can hopefully use the saved time to adjust strategy or find another group if I feel that the current group is hopeless. I apologize to any I've offended with the mouthbreather concept, I just felt it was an apt way to discribe my current impression of solo players who advertise as a group.

Sir Maddox · Nov 11, 2005, 07:00 AM // 07:00

I often begin formation of PUGs by advertising thusly:

Lvl 20 Mesmer LFG: Defending Droknar's

(An example.)

However, if nobody invites me in a few moments, I then take it upon myself to form a group of my own, seeing as one isn't going to fall into my lap. The next person who advertises for a similar group, will get my invite. (Granted they aren't spamming insults and what not.) The fact of the matter is, he is looking for a "group"...and though I am one person, as soon as he joins me, he is, in fact, then part of a "group." Therefore, in the end, it is in no way "false advertisement" or "scamming" but rather, a difference in perception. He found a group, albeit just he and I, thus, his request was fulfilled in my eyes.

jules · Nov 11, 2005, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sekkira

A group is merely a collection of people. Which is why I opt for the word 'team'.

Yeah! There's no 'I' in team... oh wait there's no 'I' in group either.

HOXMAN · Nov 11, 2005, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Until we can Bilocate... you have to start somewhere

coolsti · Nov 11, 2005, 11:55 AM // 11:55

Gee, I hope I click myself on the OP's team by mistake so that I can get his temper up a bit! I for one interpret LFG as someone looking to get into a party or forming a party for a quest or mission. Its so easy (and fun) to find something to complain about!

Xenrath · Nov 11, 2005, 12:15 PM // 12:15

Tip: when you get an invite from someone you can hover next to their name in the list and it will show you who else is in their group (if anyone)

Elistan Theocrat · Nov 11, 2005, 01:19 PM // 13:19

ok... I'm willing to concede that Maybe I jumped the gun on the point where I advertised LFG, although I maintain that most groups are formed without a monk and are finished with the recruiting of monks so its not that unreasonable as a monk to expect a group invite from an actual group. How many times have you seen 5 or six groups of 6 in the fire islands, or groups of 3 talking about needing monks for a smite run, or a keg run... I find that when I'm not playing my monk most pugs are built without monks and then we wait and wait and wait and then when we get our monks we go... thus, when I'm playing my monk, I expect groups who are looking for a monk and only monk to invite me because those groups are numerous....

So maybe I jumped the gun on that point, I concede that LFG can mean that a person is looking for an invite from one player. BUT. I still reject the notion that one player avertsiing as a group looking for a monk is correct.

The difference is split.

Medion · Nov 11, 2005, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Ok, 1 person is not a group, but as someone else posted above, if you join another person, you together form a group

then, if you join a 'group' as the second person, the leader will listen to you most of the times. If you join a group of 7/8, you join (most of the time) a group which might not even fit into your build.

For example you need a protecting monk to defend you. A group of 7/8 won`t listen to you.
A group of 2/8, will listen to you. Especially as they will need a monk later on.

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ok... I'm willing to concede that Maybe I jumped the gun on the point where I advertised LFG, although I maintain that most groups are formed without a monk and are finished with the recruiting of monks so its not that unreasonable as a monk to expect a group invite from an actual group. How many times have you seen 5 or six groups of 6 in the fire islands, or groups of 3 talking about needing monks for a smite run, or a keg run... I find that when I'm not playing my monk most pugs are built without monks and then we wait and wait and wait and then when we get our monks we go... thus, when I'm playing my monk, I expect groups who are looking for a monk and only monk to invite me because those groups are numerous....

if I am wrong, please say so, but you say a monk has something like the right to join a full group, where any other class will just need to wait for a good party and have patience?

What you could also do is join that 1 person, and merge with another small group. There you go, you have a nearly full party.

I can see your point that people advertising as a group should be a group however.

Elistan Theocrat · Nov 11, 2005, 01:50 PM // 13:50

no, monks have no rights beyond that of any other class. Its not that I deem that groups should be built and sit around waiting for monks, its just a fact of life that it happens like that. Trust me I dispise monks who think being a monk makes them better than others, I've never "charged for services" and find the concept disgusting, nor have I ever held a group ransom with my healing or reses or anything. Although I will admit not rezing people who were extrodinarily rude to me or who died because they continually refused to listen to me when I was alerting the party that a pull break was needed for energy.

As far as getting a nearly complete party to fit my build, I dont really have any problems with that because I'm very flexible, I carry around 5 sets of armor with differeing rune set ups and can switch around to perform whatever task the party needs in about 3 minutes.

Spaz · Nov 11, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

In response to the original post when you say looking for group it gives most the impression you are either looking to form one or join one. 9 times out of 10 when I have spoke with a person who was Yelling LFG (since i was confused by this at first) they where alone and looking to form the group themselves. Dont get so mad. Plus if you want a group and one joins you are on your way then just invite people yourself!!!!

Ole Man Bourbon · Nov 12, 2005, 02:56 AM // 02:56

I think that taking an "I'm special becuase I'm a monk attitude" isn't very productive: it just happens to be one class that is a little more rare than others in mission PUGs, but it's also a class that many players have as alternate toons. The seemingly idiotic solo ranger who's asking the monk to join his group may very well know a lot more about monking and mission-doing than the monk does. Not exactly on-topic, but I really get peeved when monks leave the group at the slightest little inconvenience, when you know that if they were playing a mesmer or ranger or necro they'd be on the receiving end of the special attitude.

It is funny though, how when you're a monk you are kind of like royalty, regardless of your skill level.

As far as LFG's and GLF's go, if you get an invite you don't like, don't take it. If you accept one and then don't like the group, just leave.

As someone above suggested, if you really want to get the most out of your group, start it yourself. I NEVER fail to start my own groups for missions like Thunderhead Keep and Thirsty River.

vyom · Nov 12, 2005, 03:21 AM // 03:21

i always thought that lfg meant looking for game not group, but that just me

aeroclown · Nov 12, 2005, 05:29 AM // 05:29

Somehow out of all of this I think you have failed to see the point. He Said he was looking for a Group, Multiple individuals, not a single person forming a group. Rather A GROUP. (<-Is usually not even a monk) All this mudslingin' and because some individual can not understand the concept of wanting a Group instead of Helping to Form a group. Is a simple concept, no ? Obtuse, only if you are a troll looking to back hand someone. Everyone plays differently, and if you want a Group of people instead of a Party of one you have that choice. No Insults and no convaluted (Spelling anyone ?) reasoning will change that.

CHunterX · Nov 12, 2005, 07:00 AM // 07:00

Should be LFP (party). LFG could easily mean LFGuild, and I wish it did. Would make recruiting a lot easier.
Also, I've always wondered why people used WTB and WTS. Both are confusing to noobies, and could mean the same thing. Could be seen as "Willing To Buy" or misconstrued (and it has been a lot) as "Want To Buy?" posed as a question, like "You 'want to buy' my sword?" which would actually be WTS. I say we use what another popular MMO used: B> (Buying) S> (Selling). That is in no way confusing.

quickmonty · Nov 12, 2005, 07:03 AM // 07:03

You could always try "LFG with one more opening for Monk!"

Morganas · Nov 12, 2005, 07:26 AM // 07:26

This doesn't even make sense. PUGs form rapidly when they already have a monk or two, not like there's much waiting. When I monk, when I'm too lazy to form a group myself, try and make sure to join as second member so I can have some say about who else comes into the party.

Also, the situation where a bunch of dimwits stand around a district LFGing and turning down 1 person invites as you do is so common you can end up spending 5 minutes without a party even forming.

Btw, a monk can form a group faster than anyone, because people don't turn down invites from them, especially other monks. If you're a monk sitting in a stale district, make a group yourself.

Sagius Truthbarron · Nov 12, 2005, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Groups have to start somewhere, you know. Or are you waiting for guilds to organize them for you?

I have seen people that ask for monks first, though

Spamming "GLF 3 monks!!" when they're the only person in it.

Whosaidwhatnow · Nov 12, 2005, 08:02 AM // 08:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroclown

Somehow out of all of this I think you have failed to see the point. He Said he was looking for a Group, Multiple individuals, not a single person forming a group. Rather A GROUP. (<-Is usually not even a monk) All this mudslingin' and because some individual can not understand the concept of wanting a Group instead of Helping to Form a group. Is a simple concept, no ? Obtuse, only if you are a troll looking to back hand someone. Everyone plays differently, and if you want a Group of people instead of a Party of one you have that choice. No Insults and no convaluted (Spelling anyone ?) reasoning will change that.

I'm not flaming, just basing this on your use of certain phrases, but it seems your grasp on the English language isn't quite 100%. Go back and read what I said, rather than bait me into saying the exact same thing 45 times, because I've addressed, at length, everything you're saying. Nobody has "failed to see the point". I get his point, I just think its incredibly ridiculous. I can't even believe this concept is still regurgitating, but I'll recap for your benefit. Digest it slowly because I don't have any desire to come back and explain it to you beyond this post.

1 person invites him, thats no good.
2 people invite him, that's good, because 3 makes a group.

Do you not see how insignificant and petty the difference between 1 and 2 players inviting you into a group is?

If he wants a fully formed ready to go group, he should state so when he says LFG, because nobody starting a group, to the best of my knowledge, takes into consideration whether they ARE a group at the time or whether they WILL be a group in 2 minutes. When I begin a group by way of typing in the channel, I say Forming or Starting group, but usually I just remain silent, and when I see the class I need say "LFG", I just invite him, we form the group, and we go do whatever we set out to do. I've never, ever had a complaint forming a group this way.

Take care.

P.S. This argument has gone in circles, now its circling the drain... let it die unless you have something completely new to introduce.

Zakarr · Nov 12, 2005, 08:03 AM // 08:03

The official and proper way:

LFP = Looking For Party

Because GW use word 'party', not words 'group' or 'team'

Sereng Amaranth · Nov 12, 2005, 08:43 AM // 08:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sekkira

A group is merely a collection of people. Which is why I opt for the word 'team'.

I prefer the term 'band'.

It's not a group, it's a band!